Spiritaul warfare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbVE1oOOboI

 Spirit dead or alive???

TAKEA LOOK ATTHE FASTEST GROWING RELGION IN AMERICA? SOMEONE MISSING?

YEP

Clearly Tyndale understood that the word church represented a pagan house of worship and translated it as thus. He lived much closer to the understanding of the word church than we. His translation was not something that the clergy-driven churches wanted to be known to the many ignorant people of that day who didn’t have bibles in English. That excuse of the availability of the scriptures need not go on today; we have bible programs that go directly to the Greek. Biblesoft has an excellent program that we can switch from the English to the Greek, there may be others but I don’t know of them, but my point is made.  By Andy Zoppelt

 agree ms,  he wrote it well there , the rest of ther paper falls inline with the 5 major publications I have where no such thing  existed,the early body before it got  caught up in the pagan additions was merely gathering in simplicity, there were those in isreal that met intemples but the body is now the temple youand I so be sides God has no interest in living in wood boxes and rock piles he;s looking for people who love him, I agree all the documents I seen make no place for the latter Zoppelt really did fantastic job on the pape,r tyndale knew so did the others. No real excuse.



You mistakenly think we conceal what we worship since we have no temples or altars... How can anyone build a temple to Him, when the whole world can't contain Him? Even I, a mere human, travel far and wide. So how can anyone shut up the majesty of so great a Person within one small building? Isn't it better for Him to be dedicated in our minds and consecrated in our innermost hearts - rather than in a building?” ( Minicus Felix, Octavius, 2nd Century A.D.).

"'We have no temples or altars.' This statement, referring to Christians, comes from the pen of the apologist Minicus Felix, c 200, and all evidence supports its accuracy. Throughout at least the first two centuries there were no church buildings as such" (-The Early Christian Church - J.G. Davies).

"When the church was very young, it had no buildings. Let us begin with that striking fact. That the church had no buildings is the most noticeable of the points of difference between the church of the early days and the church of today. In the minds of most people today, "church" means first a building, probably something else second; but seldom does "the church" stand for anything other than a building. Yet here is the fact with which we start: the early church possessed no buildings and carried on its work for a great many years without erecting any." (When the church was very young -Ernest Loosley).

The use of our word church as a building has totally affected how we view building. The early Christians focused on their relationships with one another and the building of their lives together in a common unity. Their focus was not on an audiences-driven meeting facilitated by a building with its staff. Such impersonal meetings are causing many who are seeking help to fall through the cracks and be devoured by the enemy.

“So they (the sheep) were scattered because there was no shepherd; and they became food for all the beasts of the field when they were scattered. My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and on every high hill; yes, My flock was scattered over the whole face of the earth, and no one was seeking or searching for them." Ezek 34:5-6, NKJV

The early believers met in homes. Leadership led by example and personally fed the sheep as a father feeds his own children. The early believers functioned like the cells in a body or as members in a family.

Gifts of the Spirit

The use of the word church as a building has changed the source of our meetings: form replaced the power of the Spirit.

When the early believers assembled together the Holy Spirit would manifest the gifts and virtues of the Spirit in each of the members to share with one another. They were built and knitted together on a sacrificial love for God and one another. They experienced love and unity. If we distort the building of the saints together, we jeopardize the life of the body of Christ and its function. To dismember and disjoint any body is death… the very thing we have done with His body and we are all guilty!

Once the reference to believers switched from the people being built together to a building of stone and wood… all meaningful function within the body was lost. We lost body ministry, unity, supportive relationships, fellowship and community. The funds that normally went to the poor and widows now went to the institutional structures and organization.

This was a major shift (from people to building) and delivered a key blow to the function of the body of Christ, changing it to a teacher/audience structure. The intention of Christ building His believers in one body was thwarted by the traditions of men who translated our scriptures for their own benefit… and not Christ’s. Because of this switch, all ministry, as we understand it today, became skewed. When we look at what we have come to know as the five-fold ministry, we see offices, hierarchy, authority of men and fulltime ministry. We see audiences without personal care and without tight knit and supportive relationships. Such a switch of the ministries has divided us into a clergy and laity resulting in a passive and lethargic body. To even deepen this division, these ministries have further separated us into denominations, non-denominations, networks, etc.. Each of the five-fold ministries, developed believers around them instead of around Jesus… the very thing they were not supposed to do. Men became associated with “their” apostles, pastors, etc.. Most of those ministries became teaching ministries and the real function of unifying the body was gone.

Rather than having two or three gathered together in His name, we have multitudes gathering in a name totally foreign to the word of God: Presbyterian, Baptist, Calvary Temple, Don ministries, Joe’s Evangelistic Association, … the list goes into the thousands. This forming of congregations under other names has been one of the major disrespect for Jesus and His prayer for unity.

So today we have built ministry around men (pastors, popes, bishops, apostles, Dr’s. and you name it) who usurped the authority of Christ as Head and have built around denominational titles and names separating His body into corporations. There are no words too strong to demonstrate this deception and shift. Words that come to mind are: abomination, heresy, anathema, reprobate and blasphemy. You say, “Andy, those are strong words.” I don’t know of any way to explain the devastation and damage of taking away from Christ His body which started in unity. We are to gather around the name of Jesus, not the name of a building or rented store front or a pastor or apostle. We have literally robbed Christ of his rightful place and therefore His glory in His body has departed. Because of this we are not equipped to build a Glorious body without wrinkle and spot! We have replaced the ministry of the Holy Spirit with the works of men. We have replaced first love (a true love and obedience toward Jesus) with work.

I am convinced that leadership is so caught up in the paradigm of the American church structure; they refuse to look and question their own place and responsibility in the body of Christ. Historically, since the reformation, leaders have put the emphasis of what they have perceived as truth (theological) and have not been willing to deal with the issue of the body of Christ and its unity and function. Such an honest inquiry would be devastating to works of most leaders and “their” groups, but not to the true body belonging to the Lord. Such an inquiry reminds me of the farmer’s breakfast. The chicken has only to sacrifice an egg or two, but the pig must give up his life to supply the bacon. Theological differences are ok and we can pound the pulpits about being a bible believing church, but to remove a man from his position of being the minister over “his” congregation is costly. The truth is costly, who wants to buy it? “Buy the truth, and do not sell it .” Prov 23:23, NKJV

If we continue to mistranslate ekklesia as a building, we are forced to use programs, buildings, offices and men excursive authority over other men. Let’s get back to Jesus and His body. Let’s get back to unity and body ministry. Let those who are leaders, lead the people into their ministry to one another and rescue the millions who are falling through the cracks. Let us stop the competition and in infighting. Let us go on to maturity and become like Jesus.

God bless you

Andy

 I thank him for such wisdom, MS hsitroical info is not  impoposoble to find it takes a little tiemto thinkand look,

friendship

Friendship is born at that moment when one person says to another: "What! You too? I thought I was the only one.”

“I would rather walk with a friend in the dark, than alone in the light.”
Hellen Keller

 

Narrowway walks with jesus , join us ... fellowship is not found in the specator movie hall, but by going together becoming friends.

 

nw

Getting Spirit filled

The word "filled" (pleroo) It means.... to make full, to fill up, that is, to fill to the full, to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally; to abound, to be liberally supplied... to render full,  to complete one... to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure... to make complete in every particular, to render perfect... to carry through to the end, to accomplish, to carry out, (some undertaking) to carry into effect, to bring to realization, used of matters of duty: to perform, to execute... used of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, to ratify, to accomplish... used to fulfil, a real faith that is, to cause God's will ( and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment... That is a whole lot of meaning... God wants to fill you the  temple with his Spirit... which is not an  attitude but his very presence within, because he is Spirit. He wants nothing missing in your life.

 What would be wrong with his presence?  having epxeriencd an endless set of questions about where is the life? It;s not as hard as it is made to be,  the most amazing part mentioned  is how far we gotten from early part of history to change a relationship over to a philosophy. Where the closeness was not mixed in with man's knowledge elevated into near divine like status  hinders being led to quenching out the Spirit by his ego.

The loss of that state is seen today in hit and miss forum of trying to shove  him through our filter grids rather than seeking to hear  him requires time out side our  interests. That is exactly what took place long ago. Having left  what real faith was resulted in the displeasure of God to act on our behalf unlike entitlement he requires that we please him in order to grow by faith unto a more mature state by which both thee mind of Christ and faith are in development.  1 Corinth 2, 1Peter 1, 2. Go to  go  it...Got to experience the spiritual life of gifts and abilities and faith to know how it works, Religion today is like the kid that stand s in the window watching his brothers go fishing by having never experienced the actual going, it;s lifeless, God made life to learn by going doing and become  personal.

Real discipleship is not another book assignment... get rid of it,,,  you got to go it and do it and take to life by getting knocked down and get back up... where real spiritual warfare takes place and  is like. Modern western religions powerless for the most part. It's about guilt trips, legal religion  and self focus, pity parties, get over it and put on the new life, the other it;s dead. Take to the air learn how fly instead of crawling.

A view of one man's history

The Gospel says, “seek the lost.”  But institutionalization says, “let the lost seek the church.”
The Gospel says, “Go!” But institutionalization says, “Stay!” we felt for over decade it was time to go.
Institutionalization is marked by inflexibility, immobility, insensitivity, and inconsequentiality.
Chanting the “party line” and reciting proven “trigger phrases,” the perpetuators of the institutionalized church give primary lip service to the Great Commission but only secondary action. Systems often replace the relationship all to often and fail as time passes.

There is no real alternative to personal relationship with Christ, 
1 Corinth 2  provides a wonderful  arrival for anyone seeking.We hope the rest will unit in time.

Yours truly.

Making for change

It is doubtful whether God can bless a man greatly until He has hurt him deeply.”
― A.W. Tozer

I want the presence of God Himself, or I don't want anything at all to do with religion... I want all that God has or I don't want any.”
― A.W. Tozer

“The reason why many are still troubled, still seeking, still making little forward progress is because they haven't yet come to the end of themselves. We're still trying to give orders, and interfering with God's work within us. ”

 

“Any faith that must be supported by the evidence of the senses is not real faith.”  Thuis is the differnce betwen the ecclsia  and what followed
there after.....

 

. A.W. Tozer, The Knowledge of the Holy

 

 

 It is there the love of the world often  undergoes change. The unhealty yoke is broken.NW

Great truths in this Book.

Eccl. 9:3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun, that there is one fate for all men. Furthermore, the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil and insanity is in their hearts throughout their lives. Afterwards they go to the dead.
4 ¶ For whoever is joined with all the living, there is hope; surely a live dog is better than a dead lion.
5 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten.
6 Indeed their love, their hate and their zeal have already perished, and they will no longer have a share in all that is done under the sun.
7 Go then, eat your bread in happiness and drink your wine with a cheerful heart; for God has already approved your works.
8 Let your clothes be white all the time, and let not oil be lacking on your head.
9 Enjoy life with the woman whom you love all the days of your fleeting life which He has given to you under the sun; for this is your reward in life and in your toil in which you have labored under the sun.
10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going.

 I was reminded in experience I had with death,  there was no memory of this world at one point, once the process  of contact was made things, were wordless.. My soul was totally exposed to being examined, the me part was completely or entering a state of no self left, utter surrender, may be a proper word, the end result of that after coming back around was no ability  tolerate Tv or most conversations.

 I could see the lies being told,instantly Tv was loaded , I realized after night, days,  relearning the place I came from here,the other just  gripped my inner man like a vice , which  no longer has any desire for the status quo..  it matches the first statement above to a tee. I do not care what man thinks. PAUL, nor do I ...

Dear Ms was never ask in a formal structure of organized religion, to reveal any of it, took some time to realize that ship never left  harbor,  the Spirit;s presence is vital he avoid you following on religion focused on exclusivity of being a corrective action lifeless form.

Totally  Ms. Love them, but had to move far ahead onto maturity and awareness of his inward presence requires a constant pursuit of his nearness whatever it takes is where he wants us...We can hear. I was reminded of  hearing as Muslims saved by dreams, fantastic lord,  God works in dreams by the way, the Spirit life does not sleep ever, unlike humans.

The west lost it, tome God does not need the state of things here to determine his will else where, he works, He's Spirit, The early ones knew all those things, which was suppressed over the centuries . Man taking over..how it works.
For those who gone through it is taste of what utter surrender looks like  and place where a relationship transcends a religion ms}, they are not the same. It's why we're ecclesia the  focus is our lord first and how to stay in step,  and then with one another when we can,  , No need to add to what he ask us to do.Man can not improve on him,  him alone Ms...  it;s amazing don;t wait.


 I realized in all of events those hours wiped away the doubt of it being other wise, crystal clear, so to speak there was no out side looking in, John17 pure grace... now simple and a powerful desire which led me into the streets over the last ten odd years.
One night Ms, he  allowed me to revisit what it was all about, in a few mins I was in the Spirit like minded to his presence seeking him out, was amazingand droveme to my knees in awe... thanful inways words can not find, it;s new sight we became the epistle.So can you, their is only one high priest that sits at  father's side that is Christ Jesus no one else, man made or other wise .. temple of his Spirit  is you,,so ask him to fill you. He will. Waiting for us all to get back...


In wonder, those things are called a revelation not extra biblical, the things we say ha,,, it was deeply personal, powerful assuring our Greek philosophy turned him to an  equation scary. Going their now, is going in faith in the many places out side ones ability to manage the situation, Ms that;s what Peter- water is all about.We're undone when were powerless of our selves,, our arrogance goes under as deos mine, our focus changes,we can walk when we're  in touch in ability in the person of Christ.. amen.

Still learning, every day is another opportunity to take those steps, here ever further, life is shot waste no time , My personal efforts race in the night streets seeking opertunity to see him work in me and to bering others to his presence. Thanks..love to  you all , All simple we made it hard makes us feel like we got to work for  it.  Right!