Thursday, December 5, 2019

freedom from MR. zigzag's ways



1.A "spiritual person" is one who has experienced "spirit-union" with the Spirit of Christ in spiritual regeneration. Such a spiritual condition of "spirit-union" is not an end in itself, but the character of the Spirit of God who lives within is to be expressed in psychological and physical behavior. 

That is why Paul went on to write, "I could not speak to you as to (those acting as) spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to babes in Christ" (I Cor. 3:1). And to the Galatians, Paul explained that those "who are spiritual" should restore one who is caught in a trespass with gentleness (6:1). Biblical spirituality involves the presence and function of the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the triune God in an individual. In other words, what we are calling "spirit-union" and "soul-rest."



The sacerdotal polity ever more completely  changed  and depraved the  the social  ideal of Christ and his  apostles , Dr. Fairbairn 1910 
That ideal was free spiritual brother hood, where men lived  in the spirit   and walked by it.  Clergy and laity  did not stand apart , opposed and divided  by officialism,  which are ever factious sanities: nay clergy and laity  did not  even exist than. cheers the told  the truth !!!!

The most eminent distinctions  were moral, the best gifts spiritual, and possible to all. THE MAN LIVED NEAREST TO God  STOOD  HIGHEST Among  men .... he who loved the most lived the best. quote
 God blesses his love characterized through his people?? through faith .





Spiritual Light

            The Christian in "spirit-union" has exchanged darkness for light.  The risen Lord Jesus told Saul that his mission was to "convert people from darkness to light" (Acts 26:18). To the Colossian Christians, Paul wrote, "He (Jesus) delivered us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son" (Col. 1:13). "Called out of darkness into His marvelous light" (II Pet. 2:9), Christians are "saints in light" (Col. 1:12), "sons of light" (I Thess. 5:5), and "children of light" (Eph. 5:8), for "the life was the light of men" (Jn. 1:4).

                  Whereas we were once "ungodly" (Rom. 5:6), we are now identified as "godly" (II Pet. 2:9). Whereas we were once "excluded from the life of God" (Eph. 4:18) and "separate from Christ" (Eph. 2:12), we are now the "chosen ones" of God (Eph. 1:4; Col.3:12), who have been "reconciled to God" (Rom. 5:10,11) and have been "accepted to the glory of God" (Rom. 15:7). Whereas we were once "unrighteous" (I Cor. 6:9), we have now been "made righteous" (Rom. 5:19), for we have been "created in righteousness" (Eph. 4:24), and have "become the righteousness of God in Christ" (II Cor. 5:21), as the "Righteous One" (Acts 7:52; 22:14), Jesus Christ, has become the basis of who we are. We have been made "holy, and blameless and beyond reproach" (Col. 1:22). Christians are even identified as "perfect" (Phil. 3:15; Heb. 12:23) in spiritual condition, because the Perfect One, Jesus Christ, dwells within their spirit in spirit-union.
 this is who you become  despite all the  performance labels required!!! 

 we may be beset but can if true faith unions exist get back and go  we do that even those who seek to impose the law as some form of spirit injunction  reduces the work of Christ , amazing , few know who to aid in any oppression  of any sort yet bide others the warning Galatians those who go the law have lost their place  in Christ?  Galatians ,  your question we are longways from the first century faith? they battles sure did no romantic abut many would unify  and bring an end to them selves the pagan unions they mixed in  Asia minor was laden with those unions  since than the  murky sea of doing so has not cleared  it continue mix and merge ....



In like manner, Dave Hunt has written that,
“Satan’s primary tactic in opposing God is not to foster
atheism, but religion. A perverted ‘Christianity’ is Satan’s ultimate
weapon.”32
 priest craft and king craft , 
If we are to understand religion correctly we must recognize its satanic source and the spiritual conflict that is taking place between God and Satan in Christianity and religion.The sociological attachment of “religion”It might be pointed out that mankind has a natural tendency to develop religious practices, and that every known civilization of man has engaged in some form of
religion. Indeed it is “natural” for man to form religions, for “the natural man does not understand spiritual things” (ICor. 2:14). His “natural” wisdom is demonically inspired (James 3:15), for “the prince of the power of the air is the spirit that works in the sons of disobedience” (Eph. 2:2).
Sociologists have on occasion argued that religion serves a beneficial social purpose of attaching people together in group-unity. Such social bonding ties a group of people together as they set their sights on a “higher”common goal. Religion thus gives a group of people a collective sense of identity, purpose and meaning, and provides for social continuity.


By spirit-union with Christ, everything has become new spiritually in the Christian. We are a "new creation" (Gal. 6:15). We are a "new man" (Eph. 4:24; Col. 3:10). The "old man" that we were in our unregenerate state has been crucified (Rom. 6:6) and put off (Eph. 4:22; Col. 3:9), and we are a "new man" in Christ. We are not a schizophrenic "old man" and "new man" at the same time, as popular evangelical humanism has often suggested, but the "old man" has been exchanged for the "new man," the completely new identity we have "in Christ."


When engaged in such a collective mutual pursuit of religious striving, their religion provides a legitimacy and validity to the rules and regulations that are imposed upon them, and when religion
wanes the weight and authority of social and moral law diminishes.It is indeed possible to analyze religion sociologically or psychologically33,

but these are just observations of the phenomena of religion. It cannot be concluded from these observations that religion constitutes a social or moral “good,” or that religion is the “better” or “highest” feature of the natural world system of man, especially when it is abusing people as previously noted. Religion is, on the contrary, the most subtle and insidious feature of the diabolically inspired world of natural men, and as such it is the most abominable and damnable.

There is nothing “good” about religion. Religion
relativizes the goodness that is derived from God alone. Religion engages in the relativistic goodness of the “good and evil” game that has been played by natural man ever since man fell by partaking of “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” (Gen. 3).The world’s view of “religion”
Many of those who call themselves “Christians” have been unable to differentiate between Christianity and religion.

As they participate in the counterfeit of “Christian religion,” they mistakenly think it is Christianity, and are blinded in the belief that religion is an admirable pursuit.On the other hand, there are many who are not Christians who view the activities of the “Christian religion,” and who likewise fail to differentiate between religion and Christianity. They in turn reject Christianity, believing it to be equivalent to the “Christian religion” they have observed. 31 Many abominable activities have taken place under the guise of “Christian religion.”

 Man-made religion always seeks power and will revert to militaristic warfare to achieve that power. The history of religion, including “Christian religion,” is but a succession of religious wars wherein religion is to  slaughter one another under the flag of “religion,” usually with political overtones.

 The Crusades of the eleventh, twelfth and thirteenth centuries are but one historical example among many.Religious bigotry has been evident in every century as religious leaders engage in racial, national, sexual, ideological and denominational exclusion, ostracism and persecution. There are always the religious attempts to purge those who disagree, and to punish those who do not
conform to legislated morality. The period of the Inquisition is a sad example in the history of “Christian religion.”

People of the world observe the big religious organizations with their huge ecclesiastic  superstructures. They are often rich, powerful, tax-evading, and political in nature. They observe the religious fanatics who try to justify any activity from bombing an abortion clinic to murdering a doctor who works therein. Any means seems 32
to be justifiable if it achieves their religiously deified end cause. They observe the seemingly endless and meaningless religious activities of church services,ceremonies and programs that seem to be just “pomp and circumstance.” the exchaneg Paul states, "Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Col. 1:27). "It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me" (Gal. 2:20), Paul tells the Galatians. Paul asked the Corinthians, incredulously, "Do you not recognize that Jesus Christ is in you - unless indeed you fail the test?" (II Cor. 13:5). Likewise the Holy Spirit dwells in us (II Tim. 1:14). "God gave us the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge" (II Cor. 1:22), and has "sent the Spirit into our hearts, crying, 'Abba, Father" (Gal. 4:6). Spirit-union is established by the presence of the entire Trinity.



 them missing mind set and awareness  of the inward blessings !! when do you ever hear that other than the how to books are the product  human phsycology  nothing to do withe spirit led>>>

Inner Senses

In like manner, every Christian has an inner vision, whereby with "the eyes of their heart" (Eph. 1:18) they can "look at the things which are not seen, which are eternal" (II Cor. 4:18), and "behold the glory of God" (II Cor. 3:18). In spirit-union, Christians have an inner, spiritual hearing to "hear what the Spirit is saying" (Rev. 2:7,11). Jesus said, "My sheep hear My voice" (John 10:3,4,16,27). "If anyone has an ear, let him hear" (Rev. 13:9) and listen to what God is saying. It might even be noted that we have an inner taste whereby we can "taste and see that the Lord is good" (Ps. 34:8).

Inner Knowing

            Those who participate in spirit-union with God often fail to appreciate and tune-in to the intuitive spiritual knowledge that the presence of God provides. Paul explained that "the natural man does not understand spiritual things, but he that is spiritual (i.e., has spirit-union) appraises all things" (I Cor. 2:14,15). This inner knowing is both an intuitive knowledge and an intimate relational knowledge. "We know (spiritual intuition) that we have come to know (spiritual intimacy of relationship) Him" (I John 2:3). To the Corinthians, Paul wrote,

 "We have received the Spirit of God, that we might know the things freely given to us by God" (I Cor. 2:12). We are "able to comprehend what is the breadth and length and height and depth (of God's ways), and to know the love of Christ which surpasses (natural) knowledge" (Eph. 3:18,19). Beyond natural logic and reasoning, there is the Theo-logic whereby we can apprehend the supernatural and unseen intents of God. By natural reasoning, God and His ways are "past finding out" (Rom. 11:33), but the Christian in spirit-union with God can "know God's ways" (Heb. 3:10), "know the grace of God" (II Cor. 8:9), "know that he has the anointing of the Spirit" (I John 2:20), "know that he has passed out of death into life" (I John 3:14), "

know that he has eternal life" (I John 5:13), and, in fact, "know all things" (Jude 1:5) that God wants him/her to know. Paul exhorted the Philippians to let their "love (God's love) abound in real knowledge and spiritual discernment" (Phil. 1:9), able to "discern good and evil" (Heb. 5:14). "The Son of God has come and given us understanding" (I John 5:20), John wrote. And Paul prayed that the Colossians might "be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding" (Col. 1:9). 

To Timothy, he explained, "the Lord will give you understanding in everything" (II Tim. 2:7). God reveals things to the Christian with whom He has spirit-union. Paul told the Philippians, "Have this attitude, and if you have a different attitude, God will reveal it to you" (Phil. 3:15). "May God grant you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him" (Eph. 1:17), 




Spiritual Character

            When Christ comes to dwell in a Christian, He comes complete with the divine character of God, for His character cannot be detached from His Being. Paul describes the divine character as the "fruit of the Spirit" which is "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and godly control of the self" (Gal. 5:22,23). These are not merely external behavioral traits or psychological attitudes, but they are the divine character that we receive when the triune God indwells us in spirit-union. For a Christian to complain that he/she lacks "patience" or "gentleness" or any other feature of divine character, and then to seek to develop such through educational instruction or psychological procedures, is to deny all that we have received in spirit-union. The inner spiritual character that is ours by the presence of God in spirit-union is intended to be transformed into attitudes in the soul and behavioral expression in the body.



Spiritual Gifts

            Even the charismata, the so-called "spiritual gifts," are all ours in spirit-union. These are but the grace-expressions or the Spirit-actions of the ministry of Christ. Christ enters into us in spirit-union with all the potentiality of His ministry within His Body, the Church. The spiritual gifts are not trophies of spirituality, nor are they power-toys with which Christians perform their "ministries." When the living Christ comes into each Christian, He comes complete with all of His abilities to minister and serve. "We have gifts that differ according to the grace given to us" (Rom. 12:8), and "to each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good" (I Cor. 12:7). In spirit-union Christ within us possesses and conveys all of His intended action and ministry through us.

Complete in Christ

            In spirit-union we are "complete in Christ" (Col. 2:10), lacking nothing spiritually. "All has become new" (II Cor. 5:17), and we have received everything God has to give. As one rather uneducated rural preacher expressed it, "You got all there is to get when you got Jesus. You ain't gonna get no more, 'cause there ain't no more to get." Paul advised the Corinthian Christians, "all things belong to you; whether things present or things to come, all things belong to you" (I Cor. 2:20,21). To the Ephesians, Paul exclaimed, "God has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph. 1:3). Peter concurred, "God has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence" (II Peter 1:3). that is all of the faith or that which has faith .... faith is not an external  how to esoteric philosophy that got mixed in   long ago  by clement others merging  pagan Greek thinking into the spirit led ways...... 

 do you know the differences  between the spirit led  over the external  power stuff , it holds true in political as well.. danger of  other thinking and doing for you !! God did it for us those in grace know the difference and will assist the war that rages all around comes after us ..!!!! it will sure does ,,,


God Hates Religion

    A survey of the Scriptures reveals that there is one category that God hates above all others. God hates religion! Many will be confused, if not offended by such a statement, for they have identified God with religion. Religion, therefore, needs to be defined and differentiated from the Christian gospel.
    The English word "religion" is etymologically derived from the Latin word religo, meaning to "bind up." Religion binds people up in rules and regulations or in ritualistic patterns of devotion.
    Christianity, on the other hand, was never meant to be a religion. Christianity is the dynamic spiritual life of the risen Lord Jesus indwelling the spirit of man so as to create functional behavior to the glory of God. Granted, men have attempted to force Christianity into the molds and forms of religion. That is evident by all the steeples and sanctuaries and ecclesiastical programs that dot the landscape of our society.


    It is the propensity of man to formulate religion ­ to take that which is of the invisible God and attempt to make it visible, tangible and controllable. Man-made religion! The apostle Paul refers to it as "self-made religion" (Colossians 2:23), and goes on to indicate that it is of no value against fleshly indulgence. In essence, Paul is saying that "religion is of no value against man's sinfulness." In fact, religion is a co-dependent enabler of the sins of mankind. It is itself an addiction.
    Religion is essentially idolatry. Men worship their man-made formations and structures ­ their ideological idols formed in the concrete of inflexible minds. When the apostle Paul came to Athens (Acts 17:22), he observed their idols and exclaimed, "Men of Athens, I observe that you are very religious in all respects." The Greek word that Paul used for "religious" literally means "to have great respect for demons."
   To document that God hates religion, note the following passages of Scripture:
"...every abominable act which the Lord hates they have done for their gods, for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods." (Deuteronomy 12:31)
"I have had enough of burnt offerings...Bring your worthless offerings no longer...I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts; they have become a burden to Me... So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you... I will not listen..." (Isaiah 1:10-15)
    "I hate, I reject your festivals; nor do I delight in your solemn assemblies...take away from Me the noise of your songs; I will not even listen to the sound of your harps." (Amos 5:21-24)
    These passages bear out the fact that God hates religion, and all of its procedures and programs; rituals and regulations.
    Religion is inevitably the result of man taking that which is of God and forming it, formulating it, in such a way that men end up "playing God." Men can form idols out of wood or stone in an attempt to represent God, or they can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they should for they formed "it."
    There are three features which seem to be basic to all forms of man-made religion. Religion involves absolutism, authoritarianism and activism. Now there is nothing wrong with absolutes, authority or activity. God is absolute, authoritative and active. But when any man or group of men attempts to establish themselves as the arbiters or regulators of God's absoluteness, authority or activity, they then begin to "play god," and religion is the result as they impose their perspective of absolute, authority and activity on others.

Absolutism

    God is absolute. All other absolutes are derived from His absolute character. But when any man, or grouping of men, think that they have determined the absolutes of God absolutely and set about to impose them absolutely on others, then you have the absolutism of religion.
    It is the natural propensity of man to want to get everything figured out. We have a "lust for certainty." We want everything to be "cut and dried," black and white, right and wrong, with no loose ends. We do not like paradox, antinomy or dialectic.
    Most men cannot accept that the Infinite God is bigger than their finite ability to understand. So we set about to reduce God to fit within our rationalistic and intellectual reasonings. We reduce God to fit within our mental "box," then we nail it shut, construct our creed, and absolutely affirm that we have God figured out. We have reduced God to no bigger than our cranial cavity.
    Religion advocates the absolutism of a particular belief-system. We formulate our doctrine, our theology, and demand that others affirm it absolutely as we do ­ no variation; no freedom of thought or opinion; no doubt (for doubt would indicate that one does not believe it absolutely.)
    Such absolutism is the basis of "fundamentalism." Fundamentalism is a religious idolatry that tends to worship a particular formulation of fixed fundamentals of faith. These fundamentals usually include both the detailed doctrines of a belief-system, as well as the meticulously prescribed behavior patterns of an ethical-system.
    Religion employs the absolutism of a particular and prescribed moral law, a closed-system of ethics. These behavioral laws (judicial, theological or sociological) are comprised of dos and don'ts, "thou shalts" and "thou shalt nots," rules and regulations, and codes of conduct. They are legalistically applied with rigid inflexibility and with perfectionistic expectations of absolute obedience.
    Such absolutism in belief and behavior leads to the absolutism of exclusivism: "We are absolutely the only ones who have found truth; Ours is absolutely the only way." Thus religion begins to employ the rejective "tests of fellowship" which demand acceptance of their belief-system and conformity to their behavior patterns or else they will disallow you to be a part of their socialistic group identity. They disallow individualism and freedom of thought. Identity is found in the whole. Any deviations are met with condemnatory judgmentalism and guilt manipulation unto conformity. Severe forms of corrective social "discipline" are employed to keep people "in line," subscribing to the absolutism. Threats of excommunication from the authorities in charge are used to create absolute conformity and absolute obedience.

Authoritarianism

    God, because He is absolute, is authoritative. But when any man, or group of men, claim to be the designated instruments of God's authority and attempt to express such authoritatively, especially in an autocratic or totalitarian way, you then have the authoritarianism of religion.
    The bulk of mankind are followers, who will follow a leader like sheep. There always have been and always will be some men, therefore, who set themselves up as leaders and authorities claiming to represent God and to speak authoritatively for God. They often claim to have a special "in" with God, a "hot-line" with God, or they claim to have a special vision, a special "calling," a special understanding, or a superior spirituality. Some people inevitably follow such people and regard them as religious authorities – gurus.


    The well-known proverb states, "Power corrupts; and absolute power corrupts absolutely." The selfish propensities within men cause them to abuse power and use people to their own ends as they lead. Such results in authoritarianism. It may be but a subtle emphasis on "pastoral authority" or the spiritual authority of an elder or a "shepherd," or it may be a special esteem granted for those in exalted positions of so-called "clergy" or priests, ministers, preachers, presbyters, etc. These are then developed into an hierarchical order of ecclesiastical positioning and politicizing.
    These self-designated religious authorities often foster a dependency attitude of the people upon themselves. Directly or indirectly they encourage loyalty and commitment to the organization they lead, or to themselves. As incentive for such they often convey the idea that they hold the eternal fate or spiritual destiny of others in their hands, in their power.


    The sense of personal equality before God is lost. People are expected to learn their "place" and told not to "get out of order." "Do not ask questions; do as you are told." "We will do the thinking and the feeling for you." "We will do the Bible study and the praying – the relating to God." "We speak for God, and we will tell you what is true." What is this but mind-control propaganda, advocating blind, unquestioning submission and obedience. It is an undemocratic system of non-equality wherein the religious authorities have no accountability to the people they serve.


    Such religious authoritarianism creates a "fantasy-bond" of the people toward their so-called "priests." There is a projected idealization of the authorities as being especially close to God -- almost "gods" themselves. The religious authorities then exploit the people, utilizing superstition and fear to control people's thinking and behavior by shame, guilt and threatened loss of identity or eternal destiny.
    Religious authorities must create a sense of direction and momentum for the people; a sense of doing something and going somewhere. There must be a program of activity that will keep people "involved," feeling that they are meaningfully expending their lives and energy for God's "cause." This is also fueled by the self-serving purpose of financing and perpetuating the religious system.
Activism
    God is an active God, and He wants to act in us by the expression of His character and ministry. But when any man, or group of men, claim that they are the directors of God's activity and that they have discerned what God wants to do in you, how God wants you to act, beware of religious activism.
    Religion is perpetuated by the activism of the people. People want a sense of meaning, a sense of purpose, a sense of belonging, a sense of identity, a reason to be. These are God-given desires. Religion offers a false-fulfillment of these desires. Religion repeatedly encourages people to become more involved, more active. Involvement, commitment, dedication, consecration -- these are the hallmarks and the "passwords" of religion. Religion fosters a fixation, a compulsion, an obsession, an addiction to religious activities, explaining the absolute necessity to be thus engaged in the activities in order to please God, and for the good of the whole -- never admitting that it is primarily for the good of the religious authorities!
    Activism seems to become an end in itself within religion: the activism of financial giving, the activism of keeping all the rules, the activism of church attendance, the activism of participating in all the ordinances and rituals, the activism of recruiting others to the "cause." Such activism is a not-so-subtle form of "works" salvation, which leads to physical fatigue and exhaustion and other forms of addiction.
    Religious activism sometimes takes the form of social protest. People are enjoined to stand up for God's absolutes in political activism. Sometimes they go so far as to engage in criminal and terrorist activity ­ even wars. In the midst of such they usually develop a persecution-complex: "It is 'us', the good guys of God's army, against 'them', the army of humanism or satan; and only by our ardent activism will God win!"
    So often religion defines spirituality by the amount and intensity of one's activism. "If you are really going to be 'spiritual' and close to God, you must be doing what God wants you to do," i.e. our proscribed form of activism.



Is it any wonder that many of the people of the world speak derisively of religion? They have read their history books and have heard of the atrocities perpetrated in the name of “religion.” They hear of the vast gold reserves and corporate holdings of religious conglomerates gained through tax-exemptions and unfair advantage.

They can see the exploitation of the populace through superstition and fear. They see through the ecclesiastic politicizing and cultural manipulation. They see the people going through their meaningless motions of religious ritual to try to appease God.

Often they have come to the conclusion that they do not want anything to do with “religion,” and I, for one, do not blame them! The world has a right, even an intellectual obligation, to reject the religious folder that is so prevalent, and to demand reality. Was Marx correct in his conclusion that “religion is the opiate of the people”? 
Religion has to do with form, formalism and formulas;
ritual, rules, regulations and rites; legalism, laws and
laboring. The “good news” of Christianity is that it is not
what we do or perform, but what Jesus has done and is
doing in us. Jesus exclaimed from the cross, “It is
finished!” (John 19:30).

The performance is hereby accomplished! Jesus has done all the doing that needs
doing for our regeneration, and continues to do all the doing that God wants to do in us. “God is at work in youboth to will and to work for His good pleasure” (Phil.2:13).
Some have tried to explain that “Christianity is not
religion; it is a relationship.” Such a statement is too
ambiguous, for it is possible to have a “relationship” with
religious peoples and practices. Although Christianity does
involve a personal relationship between an individual and
the living Lord Jesus, it must be pointed out that this is
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effected by the ontological presence of the Spirit of Christ
dwelling within the spirit of a Christian who has received
Him by faith, and the Spirit of Christ functioning through
that Christian’s behavior. It is not just a casual relationship
of acquaintance with the historical Jesus or with the
theological formulations of Jesus’ work. Perhaps it would
be better to indicate that “Christianity is not religion; it is
the reality of Jesus Christ as God coming in the form of His
Spirit to indwell man in order to restore him to the
functional intent of God whereby the character of God is
allowed to be manifested in man’s behavior to the glory of
God.
Christianity is not religion! Christianity is Christ!
Christianity is “Christ-in-you-ity.” Jesus Christ did not
found a religion to remember and reiterate His teaching.
Christianity is the personal, spiritual presence of the risen
and living Lord Jesus Christ, manifesting His life and
character in Christians, i.e. “Christ-ones.” Paul explained,
“It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the
life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God,
who loved me and gave Himself up for me” (Gal. 2:20). 


Faith does not operate in the realm of what is humanely possible , there is no glory for God in what is humanly possible .  Faith begins where man's power ends  you have to go and put your self in situations where no human escape may exists life is such  even innanay stae wheer life infancy is awarded  as goal to be had... !! other wise we will be playing into  color book like realities,  where next , if it exists at all,  wondering  guessing !!!!  




 your question???  a little in depth real history 


The sacerdotal polity ever more completely  changed  and depraved the  the social  ideal of Christ and his  apostles , ((Dr. Fairbairn 1910)) 
That ideal was free spiritual brother hood, where men lived  in the spirit   and walked by it.  Clergy and laity  did not stand apart , opposed and divided  by officialism,  which are ever factious sanities: nay clergy and laity  did not  even exist than.

The most eminent distinctions  were moral, the best gifts spiritual, and possible to all. THE MAN LIVED NEAREST TO God  STOOD  HIGHEST Among  men .... he who loved the most lived the best. quote

 the best does not mean greed ,,,or vast welaht but rich in Christ  inward presence ,  it was spirit led life even if you sin 7X70 jesus  he or she is for given not burned at the stake or hung  character lynch mobs  who have nuder much inthe past,  even it own , big big difference sis one is life less  authoritarianism the other life giving leading  they are the not the same   dear one.. 


 sad part is you will never see the above just spoken to !! not often  or ever ,,,,,Religion is inevitably the result of man taking that which is of God and forming it, formulating it, in such a way that men end up "playing God." Men can form idols out of wood or stone in an attempt to represent God, or they can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they 

should for they formed "it." once we are saved all the past is behide habits come, and temp push back get back up grab on  the blessing , the attacks come hard fast  anything at any time can come hit hard  but go by faith  resist , if you fail to you do not have magical physco babelized  lecture,,,      repent and go !! he has not left nor will he leave you!!


 refernce trends of  compromise !!https://www.garynorth.com/unholyspirits.pdf

Revival of Ancient Paganism
C. S. Lewis makes the observation in The Abolition ofMan (1947)
that occultism and humanism appeared in Western history at about
the same time, during the Renaissance. Humanist philosophy and
occultism were two sides of the same revival of paganism.


 Thus, he
argued, occultism and humanistic rationalism are not enemies in
principle but rather cooperating philosophies that are united against
Christianity and Christian civilization. This is the theme of his great
masterpiece, the novel That Hideous Strength. I read this book in the
spring of 1964 as a class assignment at seminary, and it was by far
the most important book anyone ever assigned me in any class I ever
took. I also met David Ketchen at seminary, who had himself been
involved in table-raising as a youth, and he introduced me to the
writings of Kurt Koch, a European exorcist.



This two-fold background, both philosophical and practical,
alerted me to the significance of occultism and its links with revolutionism,
mysticism, and the quest for power. This understanding
made it far easier for me to interpret the years of the counter-culture
(1964-70), which began the following semester, when the student
revolution broke out in the United States at the University of California
at Berkeley. (I was enrolled at UCLA that semester, and
transferred to UC Riverside in the spring of 1965.) That revolution
shook the foundations of the older liberalism.



 the failed systems  of man Friends believe that prayer and the love of God are of primary importance. This erases an artificial division between the secular and the religious, and makes all of life, when lived in the Spirit, sacramental. Friends reject traditional, outward ceremonies and sacraments, sometimes characterised as 'empty forms', but without rejecting the spiritual reality they symbolise. Baptism, for example, means an inward or spiritual experience, not a ritual act. 
Communion is also of the Spirit, a conscious openness to, a communication with the Divine. Although Friends may differ in their ways of observing the Sabbath and Christian festivals, these days are not regarded more holy than weekdays.

INTELLECTUAL SCHIZOPHRENIA 5
The poor and the oppressed, and (2) reliance on private charity to meet such needs. Although before the Civil War many evangelicals displayed neither type of social concern, many others emphasized both: The ensuing transition came in two stages.
 From 1865 to about 1900 interest in political action diminished, though it did not disappear, among revivalist evangelicals. As we have just seen however, the revivalist evangelicalism of this era still included vigorous champions of social concern, especially in the form of private charity. 

The lessening of political concern, then,did not in itself signify a "Great Reversal" in social concern, even though it shifted the focus and prepared the way for what followed.


The "Great Reversal" took place from about 1900 to about
1930, when all progressive social concern, whether political or
private, became suspect among revivalist evangelicals and was
relegated to a very minor role.

The preparatory stage, from 1860 to 1900, can be described in
a number of ways. Using the terms broadly we may call it a transition from a basically "Calvinistic" tradition, which saw politics as a significant means to advance the kingdom, to a "pietistic" view of political action as no more than a means to restrain evil. 

This change can be seen as a move from Old Testament to New
Testament models for understanding politics. It corresponds also,as is often noted, to the change from postmillennial to premillennial views of the relation of the kingdom to the present social and political order. In America it was also related to the rise of the holiness movement.


From the time of the Puritans until about the middle of the
nineteenth century, American evangelicalism was dominated by a Calvinistic vision of a Christian culture. 

Old Testament Israel, a nation committed to God's law, was the model for political institutions. Hence the Christian ideal was to introduce God's kingdom - a New Israel- not only in the lives of the regenerate elect, but also by means of civil laws that would both restrain evil and comprehensively  transform culture according to God's will. sadly we are saved by grace not law no one can keep the law not even them, the flesh is unable to  ascend to God init;s own steam power of being good enough . 


This shift in religious perspective was complete by 1930.
Pessimism concerning this world's future (premil1ennial dispensationalism) had replaced optimism about the future, in time and on earth (postmillennialism).

 Reliance on Old Testament law also diminished still further, a decline which had begun as early as 1660  in Puritan New England, accelerated after 1676,6 was institutionalized
politically by the Great Awakening of the 1740s,7 and died in the twentieth century. Only with the postmillennial and
theonomic movement of the 1965-75 period did a revival of interest. most reformers are  or were birthed out  of Rosicrucian philosophies , he gnosis based  systems were the  creation of man's  head knowledge in a revamped "puritanism" re-establish the outlook of the first generation of colonial American Puritans. legalism followed them.. 

But this revival was confined almost entirely to the Reformed tradition, and only a small minority of this tradition: a few Reformed Baptists and a handful of representatives within tiny Presbyterian splinter groups. American fundamentalism, not to mention neo-evangelicalism, was unaware of this theological revival in 1975.8




Tuesday, December 3, 2019

questions answered


I have been thinking a lot about this lately in Colossians.  And the context in Colossians states that we as believers are already ‘complete in Christ’ we lack nothing (Col. 2.10). God has given us everything we need in Christ Jesus.
In this admittedly long post I want to highlight some of the dangers of legalism.
What is Legalism?
In its most basic sense legalism believes that we can earn or keep God’s favor by what we do.

1.   Legalism Promotes unbiblical standards (self-authority)

Legalism may take things that have been biblically true but not biblically applicable and attempt to make them binding.
The clear teaching here in Colossians is that you are complete in Jesus Christ. To elevate any other standard outside the work of Jesus Christ is to promote an unbiblical standard; it is to make a law that is not binding.
So it may be what you eat or drink, what you do on Sundays, or it may be what you wear for clothes, what kind of music you listen to, or whether you have piercings or tattoos, wear a suit or don’t on Sundays, or home school or not, or whatever.
It is to take something that cannot bring or keep your favor with God and make it binding on yourself and others. This is so dangerous, but it is so prevalent.

2.   Legalism Promotes performance (self-righteousness)

In addition to promoting unbiblical standards it promotes personal performance.
Legalism says, “I do or do not do.” Gospel says, “I can’t do, but Jesus did.” There is a big difference.
Legalism promotes the earning and keeping of God’s pleasure based upon what I do or do not do. When legalistic thinking is prevalent you are always trying to cut a deal with God or your conscience. You may feel guilty about what you have done and instead of running to Christ you run to Sinai, the Law, and look for something to do.
Legalism is a relentless task master that promotes your personal performance as your continuing personal atonement.

3.   Legalism Promotes Division

We have been studying Galatians in our evening Care Groups. One of the more helpfully illuminating moments for me in this study was the connection between legalism and strife. Or, to put it another way, with the absence of the gospel you have the presence of strife.
In Galatians chapter 4 (vv. 9-20), you see Paul agonizing about the way in which the Galatians have changed in terms of their reception of him and his message.
What has changed for the Galatians since Paul came and preached the gospel to them?
It is their view of the gospel.
Now they hate Paul and chapter 5.13 says, they are ‘biting and devouring one another.’ Why is this?
It is because legalism is a system that thrives on personal performance, personal supremacy, and sadly, the trampling of others. It relentlessly squashes grace, mercy and humility.
Legalism believes the prize is one through personal exertion and sees any who be in the way of the prize not as people to be served but obstacles to be removed.
You may recall that a few Friday’s ago, on the Nation’s biggest shopping day that there was tragic occurrence at a Wal-Mart in Long Island, NY. Shortly before the doors opened shoppers pushed through the door and trampled the workers in their way. One Wal-Mart employee was crushed in the selfish stampede.
This is the way legalism functions. It is an environment of competition. The Wal-Mart stampede occurred because there were a limited number of Blue Ray’s. We act like there is only a limited number of spots available for us, and so we have cut others down, biting and devouring one another, in pursuit of our prize. We falsely think that the competition is between us and other people, so we set up rules and tear down others; judging and defrauding one another.
In this we fail to see that the issue is not between us and others but us and God. And no amount of physical or physical exertion on our part can bring us to the coveted place of divine favor. For here it is through Christ and Christ alone.
And this brings us to our final quick feature of legalism…

4.   Legalism Demotes Jesus (and his sufficient righteousness)

This really is, at its core, the offense of legalism.
To maintain that you can merit God’s favor outside of the work of Christ is to say that the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus either was not necessary or was not sufficient.
To cling to personal merit through doing things (however good or biblical they may seem) is to demote Jesus from his place of supremacy.
Legalism thinks that God accepts us because we do this or don’t do this…no, God accepts sinners because Jesus lived an obedient life in our place and died the death penalty that we earned!
We must see that fastening your grip upon other things is a loosening of our grip upon Jesus. This is the pattern here in our verses:
Colossians 2:8 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
Colossians 2:17 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ
Colossians 2:18-19 18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
Colossians 2:20-22 20 If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as, 21 “Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!” 22 (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)– in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men?
Colossians 2:23 – 3:1 23 These are matters which have, to be sure, the appearance of wisdom in self-made religion and self-abasement and severe treatment of the body, but are of no value against fleshly indulgence.
And Paul jumps in with some more in Galatians:
Galatians 2:21 21 “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.”
Legalism is a dangerous system. In it the sheep are hurt, the gospel is veiled, Christ is marginalized, and we are exalted. There is little wonder that the Apostle Paul finds himself agonizing with sweaty earnestness for the church in Colossae (Col. 1.28-2.3)

breaking the power of the guess ta-mating,,,

Jesus also warned about not mixing certain things. He said, “No one sews a patch of un shrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results (Mk. 2:21).”
In commenting on this verse, Dr. Kenneth Wuest wrote, “There are those today who attempt to retain the Mosaic law which God set aside at the Cross, and put upon it the patch of grace.

 It happens as our Lord said, ‘The new piece that filled it up taketh away from the old, and the rent is made worse.’ When the attempt is made to mix law and grace, both lose their true identity and you have the doctrines of the Judaizerisms in the Galatians heresy.”

Unfortunately, many Bible teachers today insist on mixing law with grace. Mixing vinegar and bleach is not just a bad idea. It is actually dangerous. It is equally dangerous in the spiritual realm to mix law with grace. 

 Nyberg 

Monday, December 2, 2019

a little history


As a Christians  it help us see the what the spirit led had to deal with... 

What Went Wrong?
Living Organism to Lifeless Institution

We have seen that Christ imparted to His followers by word and deed that in His kingdom there was to be no hierarchy, no power-plays and no titles. Instead, there was to be mutual foot-washing, modeled by the Lord Himself.

Then it was shown that Jesus is building His ekklesia on earth. Christ told the disciples that when His resurrected body went back to the Father, they would continue His body (His life) all over the earth. They were to continue His legacy of a kingdom in which all were brothers and sisters, and no one was “over” others.

But the history books reveal that something went wrong, dreadfully wrong. Before we get into some details, here’s a snapshot of some key moments when what Jesus initiated was completely derailed.

**Around AD 150 Clement made a distinction between “priest” and “laity” This set in motion the divide of “clergy” and “laity,” the “ordained” and the “parishioners.”

**Around AD 250 the practice of “one-bishop rule” took root, and each bishop’s rule was defined territorially (see Judy Schindler, Part 2, Chapter 2)

**Around AD 325 the emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. From this point on, the civil rulers would have a heavy presence in what occurred in the visible church.

Thus, what began as a Christ-driven, Spirit-led formation of ekklesias morphed into a power-based, hierarchy-fed institution.

The expression of Christ through gifts of the Spirit functioned in a beautiful way in the early church. There was no "institution" at the beginning. The "institution" started taking shape from AD 150 on wards. As this unfolded, spiritual gifts became unnecessary, for the "institution" saw itself as the dispenser of grace. This is not to say there were no spiritual gifts anywhere, but it is to say that as the "institution" became more and more powerful, the Holy Spirit became less and less a part of the mix.

The Striking Features of the First Century Ekklesia

First century pagan religions and Judaism all had these basic characteristics: (1) specific experts who led the religious practices; (2) specific places (temples) where the people came to practice the religion; and (3) specific religious rituals that were carried out at designated ways and times.

It is precisely these three marks that were absent from the early church. They functioned with no “clergy” (all of the saints were “clergy,” the Lord’s “inheritance”), no religious buildings (they met “home to home”), and no set rituals (“each one of you has a song, a teaching, etc.”).




However, as was mentioned above, this simplicity was compromised in the Second and Third Centuries with the introduction of the leader/people distinction, and the increasing focus on the “bishop” as the one to whom submission must be given

The third major capitulation occurred in the Fourth Century when the church was recognized as the central religion of the Roman Empire by Constantine, and granted special privileges by the State.

          From that time on, the relation of the Christian Church to secular           rulers, as well as the growth of the Church’s own secular power, was bound to influence the development of the Christian religion  itself. (O’Grady, p. 73) 

Constantine: The Fusion of Church and State.

Constantine was an opportunistic person. From AD 306 – 337 he was the leader of the Roman Empire. The evidence points to the fact that he saw in Christianity a way to hold his vast empire together.

          It is probable that Constantine became convinced that hope for           the future lay in the determination and orderliness of Christianity, and that he wanted to enlist its growing strength in     the service of the Empire. His aim in government was to preserve some form of unity, and it may have been partly for such reasons      of policy that he accepted the Christian religion. (O’Grady, p. 75)

For a number of years before Constantine took the throne, the bishops had been having heated squabbles over the person of Christ – was He of the same essence as the Father, or was there a time He did not exist? In response to this in-fighting, Constantine  Needed Christianity to be doctrinally consistent and centrally  organized if it was going to help him hold together the vast empire           he had inherited. Hoping to create a strong sense of unity and  ohesion among his subjects, he summoned some three hundred  bishops . . . To a meeting in the Turkish city of Nicea. (Valantasis,   p. Xxii)

The Council of Nicea in AD 325 “formulated a credo, a pledge that all Christians could recite that affirmed their basic beliefs.” (Valantasis, p. Xxii)

It must be underscored what happened here. A powerful civil ruler is calling church leaders together, and putting heavy pressure on them to come up with a statement that will significantly contribute to the unity of a worldly empire. “After the Council of Nicea, the imperially sanctioned and militarily supported separation of Christians into two camps, heretical and orthodox, began.” (Valantasis, p. xxiv)

Of course, the unity Constantine tried to create at Nicea failed miserably. Nevertheless, he kept asserting his authority by intervening in church affairs in hopes of calming the theological storms.

          In his opinion, the Emperor, by virtue of his office, had the right    to intervene in such controversies and to preside over the councils           convened to settle them . . . . Constantine, himself, wanted to show           that, by virtue of his Imperial office, he was supreme in           ecclesiastical affairs, hoping thereby to mold the Church into an           instrument for consolidating the absolute power of the Emperor.     (O’Grady, p. 75)

The truth is, after the Council at Nicea there was a lot of confusion. Theological unanimity was a joke. Some exiled for their views were called back; some once viewed as heroes were exiled. All this had nothing to do with Christ. It was about raw power and control. HE THEM BY THEIR NECKS  SIR.
          Doctrinal and personal quarrels multiplied and the Emperor           intervened either to support or to exile the leaders of the  conflicting parties. Three years after accepting the decrees of the   Council of Nicea, Constantine changed his mind, recalled Arius           from exile and supported the anti-Nicene party until the end of his reign. (O’Grady, p. 92)

Once the State was subsidizing the church, the power of the bishops kept expanding.   By the time Christianity became the official religion of the    Empire, the power of the bishops had become enormous. In his          diocese the bishop commanded almost supernatural prestige; he   was the popular choice of the people and he now had official        powers of jurisdiction over his clergy, and over any other case   brought before him. Because the Church in the fourth century,           through this far-reaching power of the bishops, had become an           indispensable part of the social welfare of the State, it seemed at          times that it would even become an organ of the Imperial      Government. (O’Grady, p. 77



So by AD 350 the original vision of Jesus Christ was totally abandoned, and had been replaced by a human organization calling itself “church,” which had jumped into bed with the State.Smile with tongue out MONEY LOVE,  “The Church was taking Roman organization, philosophy and jurisprudence into its service.” (O’Grady, p. 61)  The church had become a business, a bureaucracy, and was now consumed with preserving and perpetuating its religious accouterments. As the Cardinal said to Christ in Brothers Karamazov, “We took from him, the wise and mighty spirit of the wilderness, what You rejected with scorn – Rome and the sword of Caesar.”

“Orthodoxy”

We hear the word “orthodoxy” and generally think, “that which is right (orthodox) in contrast to that which is wrong (heterodox).” But it is just not that simple. Remember, the primary impetus to have “Christianity doctrinally consistent and centrally organized” came from a self-aggrandizing emperor. Constantine presided at the Council of Nicea in AD 325. Do you think the bishops could be objective about the issues before them with the Emperor sitting there? How many were exiled for giving the wrong answers?

An “Orthodoxy” in concrete was being formed by bishops as ecclesiastical power was being centralized in Rome more and more, and civil emperors shaped the agenda for the church. Those who questioned “orthodoxy,” or stood outside of it, found themselves facing many dangers.

          But, already in the fourth century, a persecuted Church had           turned persecutor. Those who disagreed with ‘orthodox’ taachings were stripped of their authority and exiled. In one   instance, when all persuasion had failed to bring the dissenters back into the fold, Church and State joined to put them down by           force. These dissenters were the Donatists. (O’Grady, p. 79

In the Fourth Century the Emperor had the upper hand in church affairs. It came to be a deadly assumption that the civil leader would take the helm in theological matters

          So the institution by the Emperor of ecumenical councils was           considered to be the act not of a political leader, but of the leader   of the Christian people. The Emperor was automatically asked to    intervene in theological arguments. The general councils were summoned and guided by imperial authority. (O’Grady, p. 

Wrangling with Words and Each Other

The visible church became a battle ground for one controversy after another. One Greek letter left in or omitted became the source of endless in-fighting. When the bishops should have put their hands over their mouths, they kept going on and on into areas of speculation to refute the “heretics.”

          The Greeks, who adopted the new religion, brought with them   their love of disputation and logical definition. (O’Grady, p. 89) The attempt to combat Gnosticism with definitions was to give    rise to further definitions, and then to further arguments about           those definitions, and so to accusations and counter-accusations of   heresy . . . . But once the questions were raised and other ‘heretics’ gave their response, it seemed that an official answer    had to be given. It may have been necessary to have definitions, ut it is possible that the very act of defining distorts the  understanding of that which lies beyond logic. (O’Grady, p. 33)

          In studying these controversies and the Councils that attempted to           settle them, it often seems that their endless dissentions, condemnations and counter-condemnations were merely   theologians’ quarrels about the detailed use of words, and about   minute differences in the ‘expression of the inexpressible.’ St.  Hilary of Poitiers, writing to the Emperor Constantine complained that “Every year, nay every moon, we make new    creeds to describe invisible Mysteries. 

We  research that junk out here ,,done, we defend those who repent, we anathematize those whom    we defended. We condemn either the doctrine of others in          ourselves or our own in that of others; and, reciprocally tearing      one another to pieces, we have been the cause of each other’s     ruin.” (O’Grady, p. 89

It Was Always About Power and Control LONG WAYS  from truth sir agree fully...   basic water of spirit deeply polluted in human tradition and assumption, fs they spun the text to support their enterprise all there.. the pagan world see that now and has tested me deeply in as I contacted vs versa why we gave in was the question,,, we spent 6 hours in and let me pray for him and her,  they are  seeking real answers what is for their lives as well I will be back there soon I hope .


With the increasing definition of “orthodoxy,” the “bishops demanded from their faithful” a “blind faith” and “mindless trust” (Valantasis, p. 126). From cradle to grave the dark cloud of the church hovered over them, packaged in seven “sacraments” and a labyrinth of other religious rituals and duties. Is it any wonder that when civil liberties emerged much later, people exited from the churches? Henri Nouwen made these pointed observations:

          When I ask myself the main reason for so many people having left           the church during the past decades in France, Germany, Holland,           and also in Canada and America, the word “power” easily comes   to mind. One of the greatest ironies of the history of Christianity        is that its leaders constantly gave in to the temptation of power –    political power, military power, economic power,Open-mouthed smile  amen true fully corrupted !!!!!!or moral and           spiritual power – even though they continued to speak in the     name of Jesus, who did not cling to his divine power but emptied      himself and became as we are.Open-mouthed smile We keep hearing from others, as         well as saying to ourselves, that having power – provided it is used   in the service of God and your fellow human beings – is a good thing.
With this rationalization, crusades took place; inquisitions were organized; Indians were enslaved; positions of great       influence were desired; episcopal palaces, splendid cathedrals, and opulent seminaries were built; and much moral manipulation of conscience was engaged in. Every time we see a major crisis in        the history of the church, such as the Great Schism of the eleventh       century, the Reformation of the sixteenth century, or the immense      secularization of the twentieth century, we always see that a     major cause of rupture is the power exercised by those who claim     to be followers of the poor and powerless Jesus. (In the Name of   Jesus, pp. 75-77)

          Power offers an easy substitute for the hard task of love. It seems easier to be God than to love God, easier to control people than to love people, easier to own life than to love life. Jesus asks, “Do you love me?” We ask, “Can we sit at your right hand and your left in your Kingdom?” (In the Name of Jesus, p. 77)

          The long painful history of the church is the history of people ever and again tempted to choose power over love, control over the cross, being a leader over being led. (In the Name of Jesus, pp. 78- 79) well said for sure it is deeply immersed in the it’s poison sir..

          One thing is clear to me: The temptation of power is greatest when intimacy is feared. Much Christian leadership is exercised by people who do not know how to develop healthy, intimate relationships and have opted for power and control instead. Many Christian empire builders have been people unable to give and receive love. (In the Name of Jesus, p. 79)

An Example of “Outside the Box”

“Montanus was the male founder” of a movement, and he “began to prophesy in Phrygia, in Asia Minor (modern Turkey) sometime around 170 C.E.” (Valantasis, p. 100)

This “group of Christians who broke away from the main Church in the second half of the second century were the Montanists . . . . they sought a return to the purity of original Christianity, declaring that the rules governing the ethical behavior of Christians were not given through the authority of bishops and Church institutions, but by God alone, speaking through the inspired prophets . . . . His [Montanus] declared mission was to bring about a return to the simplicity of the early Church, and to announce the fulfillment of the prophecy of Pentecost.” (O’Grady, p. 60)

“Montanus called forth a vision of a church renewed – filled with the Holy Spirit, alive with fresh prophecy, and eagerly awaiting the imminent return of Christ.” (Valantasis, p. 100) “The Montanists . . . aimed at a freer, more emotional form of religion.” (O’Grady, p. 60)

Women fully participated in this movement. (Valantasis, p. 102) “Woman after woman, then man after man, would channel words from God, while the others listened attentively.” (Valantasis, p. 99)?

“The Montanists understood their new prophecy as a renewal movement for an increasingly decadent church.”(Valantasis, p. 101)

They did not challenge the main church’s sacramental and hierarchical system. (Valantasis, p. 102) “Their fervency for reform did not extend to their church’s structure,” and thus they ordained women and men as “deacons, presbyters (priests) and bishops.” (Valantasis, pp. 103, 102) “The famous North African Latin theologian Tertullian (160-225) converted to the movement and wrote energetically from a Montanist perspective.” (Valantasis, p. 105)?

My purpose here is not to defend or condemn what the Montanists practiced. Rather, it is to underscore that this “outside the box” group deeply disturbed those in power in the “orthodox” church. “Obviously the leadership of the church could not have people claiming to channel the divine voice directly . . . and so the Montanists eventually were excommunicated.” (Valantasis, p. 104) true they were ,

“Mysticism in an organization leads to a crisis of authority, and many of the internal disputes of the first three centuries of the Christian church concerned the problem of revelations.” (Fanning, p. 19)

“The reaction of the anti-Montanist Christians indicates that the mainstream of Christianity no longer experienced possession by the Holy Spirut as a normative feature of the faith. . . . The promise of the unmediated, indwelling divinity within the believer offered a means of bypassing the authority of the emerging hierarchy of bishops . . . . Moreover, the prominence of the prophetesses was considered to be unseemly by the male clergy.” (Fanning, pp. 20-21)

Church people had to be watchful of anything “that challenged in any manner the authority of the ecclesiastical leaders, or of its increasingly specific and narrowing orthodox faith.” (Fanning, p. 21)  As I.M. Lewis put it, “direct claim to divine knowledge is always a threat to the established order.” (Fanning, p. 21) true!!!

By the fourth century “there was a conflict between those who saw Christianity as a religion of the mind, a system of beliefs about God that was governed by the Scriptures, and those who saw Christianity as an experience of God.” the unchanged one(Fanning, p. 34).

The Montanists vividly illustrate what happened to any group in the future – like the Donatists -- who pursued things in a different way, outside of the “orthodox” hierarchy.

Did Christ Build This Mess? never  the ancient mysteries were enter the people were kept ignorant to just recently as the nature of  some of the additives 
I have given above a concise, condensed summary of some key characteristics of the post-apostolic church –

**that bishops became very powerful, and submission to God was equated with submission to them;

**that civil rulers became the controlling factor in church affairs

**that a central church hierarchy and a doctrinal system called “orthodoxy” were put into place in order to control peoples’ lives;

**that those outside of the hierarchy and “orthodoxy” were viewed as “heretics” who were harassed and often killed; 
**that in all these matters and more, what began when Christ came to the ekklesia in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost was long-lost after AD 150 in a growing ecclesiastical  structures .

Now I have a critical question for you to consider. But before the question, I want to set before you a little snapshot of “church life” in the fifth century.

          A Council was summoned at Ephesus in 431. The city mob demonstrated violently against the ‘opponents of the Mother of           God.’ The Emperor intervened, and, at one time during the proceedings, imprisoned both Cyril and Nestorius. Churchmen           condemned each other; the common people rioted; the Imperial           civil servants carried on intrigues between both     parties. Finally, [Emperor] Theodosius dismissed the Council saying, quite rightly, that it had failed to achieve reconciliation. But Nestorius himself was condemned as a heretic, deposed and exiled. (O’Grady, p. 103 a few saw  amen!!
Same today .
So “church” then consisted of Emperors changing their theological views pragmatically, depending on various circumstances, and “bishops changed sides according to who was Emperor.” (O’Grady, p. 106) Keep in mind that “three years after accepting the decrees of the Council of Nicea, Constantine changed his mind, recalled Arius from exile and supported the anti-Nicene party until the end of his reign.” (O’Grady, p. 92) it never stopped doing it either sir , still lie about it now... easy to do  when the masses are so institutionalized,  the ability to think for themselves is nill at best ...

The vital question is this: are you prepared to equate Christ’s words, “I will build My ekklesia,” with the Roman Catholic and Protestant Reformation churches? Do we really believe that Christ was the Architect of these Institutional Churches? Did He build these religious bureaucracies or did humans craving power and cont sir and  in this case lost in  it...

I know this: Christ has always been building His ekklesia, but not in organizations that are intertwined with State power, not in organizations that depend on State support and backing for their existence, and not in organizations that murder people “outside the box” in Jesus’ name. amen we are free here sir.... few there be all that matters  what is with me is worth the purest gold  to come sir, Paul was such, I do miss him but he is free now,  our kingdom is not of this word either , we to will year for this day you shall be with me in paradise , not a masonic  cesspool..

What happened in AD 451 in those riotous mobs, in those theological fights, and in the Emperor’s presence at the Council was not Christ. It was flesh; it was control; it was power.

Just because an institution calls itself “Church” does not mean it has anything to do with Christ. We need to come to terms with this reality. When Jesus builds something, it is Spirit, and it is Love. Further, Christ builds out of weakness, not fleshly power and control. As Nouwen put it so well –

          Power offers an easy substitute for the hard task of love. It seems easier to be God than to love God, easier to control people than to love people, easier to own life than to love life. Jesus asks, “Do you love me?” We ask, “Can we sit at your right hand and your left hand in your Kingdom?” The long, painful history of the church is the history of people ever and again tempted to choose power over love, control over the cross, being a leader over being led. (In the Name of Jesus, pp. 77, 78,  thanks jon ,


thanks 

praise God,   

Wise words !!

When "Christian religion" mutates Christianity into mere morality generated by the self-effort of human ability, then "the stumbling block of the cross has been abolished" (Gal. 5:11), as the "finished work" of Christ (Jn. 19:30) is left unfinished, to be completed by human commitment and ability.  


When Christianity is conceived of as anything less that the ontological presence and dynamic activity of the living Lord Jesus,

 then some separated and detached entity is formed and formulated, 

whether it be in thought construction or ecclesiastical construction, and such construct becomes the object of idolatry. 

These are serious abdications and aberrations that must be addressed and challenged.

Sunday, December 1, 2019

only christ

There is no "natural goodness" which becomes the basis of a "natural morality" within a "natural theology." "There is none good, no not one" (Rom. 3:12). "


No one is good,except God alone" (Luke 18:19). When mankind thinks that he can know "good" and define "good" from his own perspective alone, he ends up calling "evil good, and good evil" (Isa. 5:20), and Isaiah pronounces a woe upon those who are thus "wise in their own eyes, and clever in their own sight" (Isa. 5:21). 

The so-called "good" intentions of prevailing
moralizers allegedly acting for the "good" of the whole,

https://www.christinyou.net/pdfs/ChristianityNotReligionEbook.pdf