I used to struggle with the meaning of Jesus’ statement, “If you love me you will keep My commandments.” In my mind I was trying to figure what Jesus actually meant. Was Jesus saying that love was the means to obedience, or was He saying that obedience was the sign of Love?

 We can be sure when our mind kicks in, revelation kicks out. I have found throughout the years that statement, in the ear of the religious, finds more reason to not keep His commandments than to keep them. What Jesus is saying is beyond the carnal way of dealing with things. He is not speaking of some method to obedience, but He is speaking of the hidden things from the eyes of the carnal mind with its efforts to intellectually understand.

This obedience comes out of a spiritual awakening, out of a new birth, it is the spiritual result of those who have sacrificed and abandoned their life for His and have entered into the joy of His presence. True obedience is learned in the school of suffering, sacrifice and self denial…as Jesus learned obedience by the things He suffered. How we deal with suffering will tell us how much of us is still alive in us and how much of us is still trying to be in control.


Thank you, andy we agree fully this is the heart beat of narrowway as well, we are all about a real reltionship  as are some of the others whom have desired to return to the preconstantine era why we spoke to the church tradtions as we have taking returning to the personage of God verses that of platonic philosphies in order to build a systems rather than relationship.

It;'s all a about personal and  acceptable to our lord , there is no go betweens or addtional hocus pocus it;s a spiritual quest in which getting to know the lord becomes  real and new sight, his coined phrase "derived from carnel a mind" is not what took place, as God did not have to go to the greek philosphers to approve his means  inwhat he did for those  who followed him, nor shoudl they today,of working in miraclous ways. It appears he likes the impossible, so should we. Faith operates without sight.

Thanks.