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The result is the church-assembly divided again. Just as tragic, millions of terribly hurt people, believers as well as unbelievers, go without help or go to counselors who may be atheists or Christians inexperienced in the demonic realm. The Scripture-versus-experience issue is unfortunate, unbiblical, and illogical. Never in Scripture are the two held to be mutually exclusive. They are always seen to be two sides of the same coin. God’s written revelation is the Bible.
That written revelation is not given in an abstract theological form, however. It is given in historical form as God makes Himself known to His people and to the world in the context of human experience. A knowledge of God divorced from the experience of God led to the Crusades, the Inquisition, and other chapters in the colonization of the heathen world by organized Christianity too shameful for words.
We all recognize this in our evangelism. We commonly say we want to help people find Christ as “their personal Savior.” We know informing them about God and Jesus is not enough—they must experience Him personally. God must first be experienced before He is understood. that my dear sir is exactly the point and why things are as they are today to , I say that in love, but ask your self how many people do you know get to gather to go out and seek God and wait on him? zero for the most part, let me share a smile I do so and often, all I can night or day, waste no time in so doing, life goes by to fast so does all the opportunity lost it’s foolish to wait. put things aside to go or God will put us aside.
We all recognize this to some degree in our development of theology. We realize that God’s truth is not discovered primarily by the human brain but by the human heart as revealed by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:10). Thus if we had to make the choice of being taught about God by a brilliant, highly trained, but “unsaved” theologian, or a semi-literate but Spirit-filled believer, we would probably choose the believer.
While he may not be able to define God theologically, he can lead us to God experientially. Why do we evangelicals so distrust experience with the spirit world? (Why do we develop theologies about this dimension of reality about which we are personally ignorant except through biblical exegesis? ((thanks true))). amen..
The misrepresentation of those failures is stunning and damaging, this is why we took it to task to answer those questions rather than brush them aside or run back to never knowing the difference in action or word 1. by experiencing. 2 and factual truths .
Can a theology of Satan and demons that is both true and useful for ministry really be developed by theologians studying their Hebrew and Greek Bibles while sitting in their air-conditioned offices apart from at least some personal experience? If the theologians in question did not bring limiting preconceptions about what demons can and cannot do to their study, they could possibly, exclusively through the Scriptures, develop guidelines to practical demonology that could then be tested by experience. Based on the results of that experience, they would then need to readjust their demonology to fit the contemporary assault of evil supernaturalism the body is facing today.??? ((I agree that's the issue...))
The primary reason...!
The basic tenets of our historic Christian theology probably did not change. In fact, they only became firmer. What did happen, however, is that we were forced to return to Scripture for help, again and again. We began to examine anew certain dimensions of our unreflective theology when it did not prove congruent with our own valid experience with God, with people, and, in many cases, with Satan and demons. Therefore, correct biblical interpretation is that interpretation which is most consistent with experience. Theology which is contradicted by experience, or at the least brought into question, is theology that needs to be reexamined. To declare that theology must be maintained even if it is challenged by on-going experience is legalism, pharisaism, dogmatism, and evidence of subtle arrogance.
This perhaps the most deadly stigma found in evangelical denominations at the present, for those outside the which have formed an ekklesia type thinking escaping the drift into institutionalism is far more free in the expressing truth seeking,obtaining benefits found in his people. Stott, Barclay, expressed their concerns for the rigid lifeless formalism controlling away the relational connection. See Stott in his book 1-2 Thessalonians, Barclay on Corinthians, both described reluctance to go back to relational personage in which all were bringing their fruit to share.
This perhaps the most deadly stigma found in evangelical denominations at the present, for those outside the which have formed an ekklesia type thinking escaping the drift into institutionalism is far more free in the expressing truth seeking,obtaining benefits found in his people. Stott, Barclay, expressed their concerns for the rigid lifeless formalism controlling away the relational connection. See Stott in his book 1-2 Thessalonians, Barclay on Corinthians, both described reluctance to go back to relational personage in which all were bringing their fruit to share.
In the wake of the eighteenth-century rise of rationalism known as the Enlightenment, Western theology lost an intuitive, historic understanding of the spirit world))). As in all other areas where the church has ignored or resisted dimensions of biblical reality, the process of rediscovery usually comes through experience. This experience calls theology into question at that point. The theological status quo will always resist the reformers, however.
That's always the case, it’s easy to not get in the cross hairs of devil by staying hid and lip services the faith, or remain removed from taking task to heart,.
The status-quo theologians and Bible teachers, if they hold a high view of Scripture, will go back to Scripture, not to openly challenge their own presuppositions in light of the experience of their brethren, but to defend their presuppositions against their misguided brothers.
The conservatives,reformers or others, if they also hold to a high view of Scripture, will also return to Scripture. If they are honest, they will return not to prove themselves right and their status-quo brethren wrong, but to better understand what their experience is telling them.
The conservatives,reformers or others, if they also hold to a high view of Scripture, will also return to Scripture. If they are honest, they will return not to prove themselves right and their status-quo brethren wrong, but to better understand what their experience is telling them.
Jesus did what he said and went to places the scribes dare not go other than their final sentence through rejection to hell, as they were of their father the devil. Jesus dealt with other side, as we should pray and reach out seeing we are the temple of God , we are given his power...prayer 1 Corinth 4; 23-24,
When they do, they will either call into question their experience, their understanding of Scripture, or both.
Usually the latter will occur. If their experiences are valid they will find that they are supported by Scripture much more than they had first imagined. They will also find that Scripture will cause them to restate their experience and not go to extremes. They will recognize that they too, as all men, are susceptible to both deception and error.
Usually the latter will occur. If their experiences are valid they will find that they are supported by Scripture much more than they had first imagined. They will also find that Scripture will cause them to restate their experience and not go to extremes. They will recognize that they too, as all men, are susceptible to both deception and error.
The result should be a newly formulated theology more consistent with both Scripture and experience. This is what is occurring today with the bodies “new” experience with demons. The demons have always been with us. But, as conservative evangelical theologians and Bible teachers would do well to think deeply....Hopwood warns that conservatism was the first step downward in leaving relationship based faith heading into external organization driven by gnosis he mentions,evanglici, see his book, that does not mean scripture it refers to their propensity to add and deny things by explaining them away and changing the Oder God designed?
Our theology of the spirit world must fit the reality of contemporary human anguish. Particularly for us in the West, where materialism is the religion of many, and where occultism, Satanism, and the New Age movement flourish, a status-quo practical demonology will not do. With sexual abuse and even Satanic Ritual Abuse (SRA) of children no longer a secret, but almost a national epidemic, status-quo counseling will do no longer.
Been telling us for years, as we see the day of the final conflict between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of evil approaching, an outpouring of demonic evil such as the church and the world has not known since the early centuries of the Christian era will occur.
If we are entering that period, and most biblical scholars suspect we are, then we should expect Satan to come into the open and through lying, deceitful spirits assault mankind in general and the body in particular. Is that what we are witnessing today? Only time will tell.
One thing is absolutely certain, however:
Demons flow where abuse flows. Demons flow where Satanism, Satanic occult practices, and the New Age movement flourish. Demons enter the bodies lives of abused children, especially those who have experienced SRA, and of practicing New Agers. The church in the West will find it difficult to bring salvation and healing to the survivors of such evil if it maintains its present status-quo,unworkable theology of experiential demonology.
What happens to their world view when they become Christians? It becomes confused. That confusion has at least a dual source: First, Western missionaries, though looked upon as experts about things spiritual, are primarily ignorant of the activity of the spirits. Second, their national church leaders were trained in their ministry by missionaries ignorant of the spirit world. I was one such missionary. I know as well here, it’s missing...
The Holy Spirit vs. Spirits of Slavery and Fear
Verse 15 is one of the great verses of Scripture setting the “Spirit of adoption,” the Holy Spirit, over against the opposing spirit,“the spirit of slavery leading to fear.” The Spirit of God, even when He is the Spirit of conviction of sin, is always the Spirit who lets us know we belong to God and His kingdom, Paul is implying. He builds up. He encourages. He blesses. He enlightens. He makes Jesus more and more precious to us. He empowers us to the defeat of the flesh, the world, and Satan and his demons. It is he and healone who cries within us, “Abba! Father!”It is the other spirit who tells us lies.
The writer of Hebrews says that the other spirit, Satan, is the one who binds us in fear (Heb.2:15). We have been delivered from him, however, so we are not to fear him or his. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of liberty, of adoption. He lets us know that we belong to God. He “bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God” (v. 16). The other spirits either whisper denials of our true sonship or say we are unacceptable to God, even though we may be His sons. Thus Jesus says the other spirit is “a liar, the father of lies, whenever he speaks a lie he speaks from his own nature” (John 8:44). When he speaks lies to us, we are to shut him up as Jesus did (Matt. 4:10; 16:23). We are to resist him with the words of truth (Eph. 6:17; James 4:7–8). I hold to this in my mind, I waste little time with debates, the war is on sir, the other stuff is man talking.
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