Just what was the real deal like?

Thanks for the article,  no doubt we see the warnings from other writers as well to help that part of us that needs references due to the lack of real discernment which is function of the Holy Spirit in the body not just human smarts. It;s a noble article and well spoken truths in a time where many are seeking to what is the truth in all this we do.


The article section is small part of the whole.

Ephesians 4:15-16, clearly identifies the purpose of our assembling, "speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head — Christ —  from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love." Nothing like our church today.

We all were a part of an assembly of people who had in common their commitment to Jesus and to each other. Their coming together involved exhortation and fellowship with one another They were not an audience for a single speaker, but a living body much like are human bodies. 1 Corinthians 12:18-1924,26, "But now God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased...But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, that there should be no divisions in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it."

The word church is responsible for destroying all the above and the kingdom of God as it is in heaven. How do we feel when we repeat what we call the Lord's prayer? "Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." All that is representative of church is against all that is representative of the kingdom of heaven.

William Tyndale, who in the 16th century translated our first English Bible, translated "ekklesia" as “congregation,” moving the focus from a building to the people. He wanted to rid the Bible of the ecclesiastical words set in by a powerful clergy system linked to the state. Tyndale used the word “church” one time and that was to describe a pagan temple (Acts 19:37 "For ye have brought hyther these [Paul and company] me which are nether robbers of churches [pagan house of worship] nor yet despisers of youre goddes). His translation brought the down the wrath of the Clergy and it cost him his life. For his translation he was burned at the stake.

This is true even to this day; the most hated people are those who challenge our religious system...and the challenge is just beginning.

Many in the clergy derive their prestige and livelihood from a clergy system with its corporate headquarters in a building. A change back to the faith that was once given to the saints rings fear to the order of our institutional church system. Such words as: “bishop,” “office of.” “pastor,” “deacon,” etc., have been improperly translated to build an empire around men and denominational divisions.

 In love it;s time, we're thank for for your letter from the Chinese response to our dilemma, here , My personal words in Spirit of love  I would suggest other wise, it;s what we;re doing here in the face of all these facts the reason to remain  in the past will only  add to the false building part.

 I am pleased to see change on the way and it needs to be so to give the glory back to the lord and take it from men. Thanks for great article and we hope many in the ekklesia will gather and meet and speak as they are led , the desire to hear how God is working in others lives is vital and part of the growth aspect so deeply needed as is real faith.Love to them.

We are praying for the west great changes can only be done buy our lord as they are in china, withal people willing  hear, alternative to John 11;48 in which our place superseded the presence of God than as Jesus, and the Spirit today, In order to sustain human tradition.

Please keep in mind that the scriptures the original letters were written to everyday people, and there was no time to need Plato to figure it out for them,, so we could spin it all sorts of ways. With connection, which is denied in our age  by misrepresentation the lack of personal research to really discover those truths for oneself as to real truths..

"The scriptures imply to labor in study deeply digging seeking as for treasure", effort to know the personage of God by surrender and listening, as to what our roles are one to the lord  for most and to one another without all the added stuff. That is discernment the function of the Spirit not man's wisdom. Thanks, love to all.. Pride is deadly...