Jesus said "my ecclesia" it does not nor does it mean church, the word church has no place in scripture at all it's not even a word of that time it was added in for political and power based reasons. Ecclesia substituted the OT cov structure allowed all the body or the people to be engaged, it would no longer be mere lecture hall. But made those in Christ one with him as his body no longer out side faith but inwardness now took over..John17 or operate under human hierarchy. But as a group and under the Spirit who is God. Avoiding mechanical religious mechanisms and often legalism ., above all there is no laity clergy distinction which would all be added latter... Some sort of Ot cov form was re-injected. Using the nicolation's structure. Everyone instead came with something to bring in the new Cov "Barclay"1954, and it was not run as a business.. but as gathering where the spirit was welcome.
Another words it was deeply Spirit led, and loved those in the body and made sure that growth was rapidly promoted and sought after, it was not a program facilitated. it was faith laden. It would utilize your spirit led abilities and interactions in day to day as well as it did in many of them going out to share their new faith.
I agree with Hopwood on the over all view and history examples he gives on the state of the minds of those in Spirit world where the OT was replaced by a new, formed an ecclesia where all the people are now inside of Christ no longer out side. Used by the Spirit as the lord desired required them to be aware such a every part of their lives..
The very decree found the King James directive the old ecclesiastical terms were to be kept, used to created a political structure with it's power words of office were added in ..., implied in the his translational modifications reproducing the past or the distorted pagan driven forms discussed that came a bit after the second century as it also grab the ot cov forms of hierarchy and mix them..The elders as far as we can see we were older men and served others out side the pyramidal structure of the pagan forms where one was served by all he now serves the all.
Back to the early body awareness and ability formed the groups and were not centralized and the word were far more relational, flexible and aware and conscious the lead of the spirit. Then how they been translated to support he good kings wishes for political power and over lord the people by form that was not like the Jesus people were or they were called the way at that time. The origin of words is vital as forms mimic their original intents.
The actual word Jesus may have used was Aramaic and the clarity on what that was does not exist today. The people are now the temple the body not forging a building or one man... that was all passed over for some reason that has not been the case even today as people fail to grasp God uses them and to his own end. Does not need man to try improve on his ways, which led to national disaster in Israel and may today if the form intended by Christ is not restored.. he does not require buildings or priests seeing all have become the priest hood of the believers. John 15-17
The focus and awareness was on his work in them through the Spirit, when compared to grace and the importation of Christ righteousness over our inability, the focus has been far more a gospel of failure than of life and his power today. Once the connection is established by faith and your walking in spirit and truth so to speak the door way is open that leads out of the human element into awareness rather than bondage or intimidation.
Institutionalism has it's own form of keeping people unable to discover who they are in Christ, gathering is not bad only suppression is.. the ability they had is to form many home groups, things were very flexible rather than legal. mimicking la living spontaneous connection rather lifeless, religion....
The relationship of the believers was tied to awareness, and obedience that lead, living it out was purely Spirit led and faith ward bond.. Christianity is more than book religions it relational the post modern forms largely driven it into book form and very little awareness is dominate attests the massive decline and generate life less redundancies.. Which promoted the ability to discern and think for themselves with no mediums need ed a priest etc. the freedom of the Spirit is threat to man made religion. Where weakness is often a source keeping people unknowing, leading to lives unaware of the wonderful life giving power of living God . Acts 1-6
It replaces Plato and Aristotle as the Christ, the other two are mere men and so much of their techniques were used to try explain the supernatural down to the natural, one has to remember "my ways are not yours they are higher" says the lord., Paul warned about Greek ideas. so we felt as we have that making changes was vita we did not desire to mix in things, we choose the alternative translation free as much as possible.. the nicolations forms and the altered tests modeled after thee kjv where power word were added to replace the ecclesia with another than what Christ intended to induce living undivided body in which all the members had their roles derived out of God's order.
Over the last 13 years God has led me in the all manner of out reach, we like to express our love for those we met and those who even hated us both from the religious organizations as well as those from the darker side of life, freedom you seek is not found in men lording over one another,,, and seeing who is to be king but rather who can serve you in love and ability to reach into a world provided by through faith In Christ alone which pleases our creator.
I know for there in the darkness have seen the misgiving's and distortions, sorry that took palace, in those things is only the short term power of ego and self and will result in your complete destroyed lives. we feel that to be honest we all struggle but focus here is not just your struggle but how you become in Christ. I doubt that is even well understood, to any real degree because what we hear is that your not good enough almost all the time out there, nor are they , that is why we all come as we are to Christ and no one is given the over lording supremacy over another other than Christ.
We're Jesus centered and aware, nor do I teach away his gifts or powers over to mere philosophers casting doubt or hoping to get an audience at the expense of those loosing out ones much found in doubt and fear .God is greater than mere mortal men, they all will die, we all do, but he will live, so I would be far more interested in the life giver, and his eternal ways then the promoters of doubt.
Thanks we hope this helps a few ref sources for you.
antidote for legalism,
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
"maybe for the first time it may be far wiser to learn faith, than profiling Your brother or sister which you'll answer form"love keeps no records nor does God, some body's missing?
.The legalistic in this camp also try to make members obey Old Testament law through the flesh and they continually threaten them with the consequences of breaking God's law rather than teaching Christians how to live as a new spirit creature in Christ that lives by the Law of Faith. All sins of the past, present, and future have already been paid for.
(Sources: Lewis’ History of the English Bible and The Men Behind the KJV by Gustavus S. Paine).
“3. The old ecclesiastical words to be kept; as the word church, not to be translated congregation, &c.
PGS Hopwood The religious experience of the primitive, Church 1937 a real interesting book and exposes the relational aspect and in twinned life with God as spirit rather than God driven through Greek philosophy.
KJ3 or young's; literal, we stepped out of all the those which carried the over tone of the ecclesiastical forms to break free from those who added extras.
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